Sunday, June 15, 2008

Kibbutz Galiyos

קבוץ גליות
The Rebbe said: it already started nowadays, it's the only time in history that so many people came to Eretz Yisroel - especially from places that in was never possible to come from (Russia etc). 

Q. What's the difference between this view and Zionism?

Zionism:
1) When it first started was not associated with Hashem and Yiddishkeit. Wanted a Jewish state to show that the Jews are the same as all the nations and they can have their own country too. 
2)There is Frum Zionism - they say that the founding of Medinat Yisrael is the beginning of geula. There are 2 issues with this:
a. Geula has to come through Moshiach - a tzaddik who is leading bnei yisroel to come to eretz yisroel. Who is could it be then? Definitely not the government C"V - Moshiach has to be a tzaddik and help Bnei Yisroel increase in Torah and Mitzvos. 
b. Ramban: Real kibbutz galiyus comes after the Bais Hamikdash was already build - and it wasn't yet. 

Q. What's the difference between what the Rebbe said - that kibbutz galiyus started - and what the zionists say?
A: The Rebbe was saying it started in a ruchnius sense but not a physical sense. Also, the rebbe says kibbutz galiyus specifically though Moshiach, the Rebbe, not C"V the other way. 

Q. Why isn't it geula?
A: Geulah doesn't just mean that Yidden are in eretz yisroel - geula means teh whole world will be changed. 
Mashal: A husband and wife got into a fight. The wife leaves. She comes back at night to get some stuff - you might think they're back together because she's  back home, but really their relationship is not the same even though she is physically in the house. 
Bnei Yisroel are in eretz yisroel but it doesn't mean we have the geula relationship with Hashem. 

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